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Thursday, 15 March 2012

Klon Centaur - Bare Bones

[Updated 4th July 2014 - correction to treble control resistors]

This is an easier build and is perfect for someone who wants the Klon tones without having to mess around buying charge pumps and curing squeals.  This came from a thread on FSB where earthtonesaudio wrote the following:

The charge pump in the Klon seems a bit unnecessary to me. The only logical reason it should be used is to keep op-amp U2 from clipping.
But here's the thing. When the gain pot is at maximum, the only signal hitting U2A has already been clipped by the diodes, so a typical Ge diode will limit the signal going to U2A to under 1V p-p. For this signal U2A has a gain of about 8.3. Granted, this would clip a TL072 with a 9V single supply. BUT, if you used a rail-rail op-amp, then you'd get no clipping.
That would ensure no signal coming from the distortion stage could cause clipping in U2A, even if you used +9V and 0V as the rails.

From U2A the signal goes into the tone section, where the maximum treble boost gives a gain of about 8.2 to the highest frequencies. Again referring to the situation where the gain pot is at max, that means the signal coming from U2A into U2B is about 5V (.6V p-p signal times U2A's gain of 8.3), so U2B will try to make the highest frequencies into a 40V p-p signal. The power supply can't reproduce anything (even with a rail-rail op-amp) greater than 27V, so the op-amp clips.

Another useful scenario to analyze is when the gain is set to minimum. For high frequencies, the maximum gain from lug 1 of the lower half of the dual gang Gain pot to the output of U2B is 266. An average guitar signal (especially if boosted) can easily make a .1V p-p signal, which would cause op-amp U2B to clip if the gain was set to minimum, and the treble at maximum. Of course, before the signal gets to the that lug of the gain pot, it is attenuated by the input voltage divider as well as the network at the output of U1A.

Anyway, my point is that there is some op-amp clipping possible in the Klon at normal settings, even when using the charge pump. To me, the whole point of using a charge pump is to avoid op-amp clipping. But the Klon uses a charge pump and still clips the op-amps. So why not just ditch the charge pump and use op-amps that sound better when distorted (or will operate at their rails to minimize the amount of time they spend in clipping)?

For those people that would like to fit a Klon into a smaller package (though that is of course limited by the dual gang pot and other hardware), or those who just want to use fewer of the Earth's resources in their pedal building, I think it would be nice to have a Klon alternative which operates from a single supply, with no charge pump.

And mictester very kindly produced a schematic based on the discussion.  Thankfully there's some very clever people on FSB to keep us busy!

Youtube demo:


Thursday, 29 May 2014

Klon Centaur [Rev 2]

[Updated 4th July 2014 - correction to treble control resistors] 

The older Klon layout was starting to annoy me for a few reasons so I decided to re-do it and start a new thread as this one is obviously currently unverified, and so all discussion here can relate to this layout.

This is a couple of rows smaller and so should fit more easily into a 1590B, and I have included the bass pot mod from the outset so if that's something you don't want to include you can just omit the 150n cap and bass pot itself.

Note that IC3 is rotated 180 degrees from the usual orientation.

Marketing spiel:

"..... Available soon.   

No, honestly!"








And a extra modified version which uses a fat switch instead of an additional bass pot, and also includes a Soft Clipping switch to allow you to add your favourite clipping diodes in the feedback loop of the gain stage.  This switch is a DPDT on/off/on and will allow you to use two back to back pairs, with a centre off position which will be the standard Klon mode.  The main germanium shunt diodes could also be removed from the board and put on a switch allowing you to remove the hard clipping completely, and/or maybe adding the option of a different type of diode in one position, and the stock germaniums in the other, to give you extra flavours and maximum versatility.

For another modification consider using two 100K pots for "Gain" and "Clean" instead of the dual linear pot.  This will give you maximum versatility by allowing you to control both sides of the control independently, and people have noted having good results doing so, giving them additional tones that are impossible to get with the stock Klon configuration.





These layouts are based on Martin Chittum's April 2009 updated schematic (correction to treble resistors included - 4th July 2014), with the only alteration being increased 100u filter caps on both 9V and 18V sides.  The bass pot addition is as per Madbean's mod suggestion.


Saturday, 26 July 2014

Klon Centaur Silver Edition

Keith at BYOC reverse engineered a silver edition Klon when developing a PCB and noticed an error on soulsonic's 2009 schematic which was a couple of swapped resistor values around the Treble pot.  He also noticed a few value discrepancies which probably just amount to the difference between the gold and silver Klons.  The swapped resistors have been corrected in all Klon layouts on this site but I didn't want to just make the other changes to the existing layouts as I would like to keep the gold version up for those who would prefer to build it, and so I thought this version deserved its own thread. 
If you prefer to build this kind of circuit on PCB then the BYOC kit can be found here:

http://buildyourownclone.com/effects-pedals/silverpony.html

I don't know if they are going to start selling the PCB separately but you can of course enquire if you'd prefer to go that route.

Now I can hear some subtle differences when at the upper and lower end of the Treble pot, which will very probably be down to tolerance differences in the pot itself which could be as much as +/-20%.  I have to say in the more central positions I can't really hear any significant difference at all. At most  of the demo settings they sound identical to me, and at some the Silver Pony sounds a bit fuller.  Personally I preferred the Silver Pony.  Great job Keith.







and the corrected schematic



Monday, 13 February 2012

Klon Centaur

[Updated 4th July 2014 - correction to treble control resistors]

Note: A new revision of the Klon layout has been done which is smaller and makes better use of the space, so if you want to build this I'd suggest using that layout instead which will also be easier to fit in a 1590B for those wanting to use a smaller box.

Based on Madbean's Sunking schematic.  At 21 x 26 it at least has the potential to fit in a 1590B, so I'll be really impressed if someone can manage that, especially with the dual gang pot.  Don't forget to sprinkle fairy dust over the diodes.










Video of Geiri's build:




True bypass version:






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Thursday, 15 March 2012

Klon Centaur - Bare Bones - True Bypass

[Updated 4th July 2014 - correction to treble control resistors] 

And an even simpler version using true bypass switching, and so omitting the buffer components.  Verified.


Friday, 19 August 2016

VFE Pedals Merman

Another great overdrive from VFE Pedals based on the Klon Centaur.
You can find schematic and info on their website here.