Original Positive Ground Version
Thursday, 31 December 2015
Tycobrahe Parapedal Original
Here's another version of the Tycobrahe Parapedal, but unlike the previous layout, which is apparently a modified from the stock, we had some people in the forum trace an original one, Ciaran posting the schematic before I finished my trace, found here. The only thing different is I added the usual input and output pulldown resistors to prevent any popping.
Original Positive Ground Version
Theoretically, here's the layout but changed to more common Negative Ground
Original Positive Ground Version
D2 is a 5.1v zener. Why do people say this is a positive ground effect. From everything I see from the original, It's a negative ground effect. I may be wrong tho. I'm just a rookie. The 2nd layout looks right
ReplyDeleteThank you for the good writeup. It in fact was a amusement account it.
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Because of the polarity of the 9volt battery
ReplyDeletefrom everything i've read about the original, even the chicago iron clone, states it's a positive ground effect. without having one in front of me i really can't say, but i'm going off of what is known about it online.
ReplyDeleteif both work and sound right, that's all that matters to me. there are some differences between the schematic from R.G. Keen and the one Ciaran posted and i came up with the same thing.
Excellent layout Zach! Busting to get cracking at this as soon as I get back to work (don't tell the boss thats what I spend most of my paid day doing!!!) I've an old Crybaby Bass enclosure just waiting for a new lease of life.
DeleteRegarding D2. I think I got it wrong on the schematic. Gregory says his original is a 5.1v zener. I could only see the 1N on the pic and assumed a 1N4xxx. It needs flipped on your layout as well. Cathode to pin 3 of IC.
Once again top job! If no one gets it verified by the 7th I'll have it done by the 8th.
Cheers lad
fantastic. can't believe i forgot to turn that diode around. in any event, updated both layouts to include the correct diode for d2 and flip the diode on the positive ground layout. cheers boys
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DeleteIs someone going to fix the polarity of D2 in the drawings? It is reversed in both the Positive and negative ground versions.
DeleteD2 is in the correct orientation in both layouts.
DeleteI could be wrong but don't think so. In the negative ground version, the zener diode D2 cathode is connected to ground. In this configuration, it is configured and behaves as a normal diode. This will bias the op amp at the diode forward voltage drop of about 0.7 volts. Op amps are typically biased at Vcc/2, so using a 5.1V zener diode in the opposite direction as to that pictured makes sense. Also check this schematic http://guitar-fx-layouts.42897.x6.nabble.com/Tycobrahe-Parapedal-td26793.html for reference. It has the zener diode anode to ground, typical for a zener. Either way, the circuit will likely work in the current configuration (i.e. 0.7 V bias) since guitar signals are small but will likely clip for hot input signals. -john
DeleteSomebody please verify this!! It looks very awesome.
ReplyDeleteYou can tag the bottom Negative Ground version as verified with the changes Ciaran mentioned. I used a 1N4733 instead of a 1N4001 with the cathode on top (Row D).
ReplyDeleteI only had a dual A20k pot and the signal drops out when turned fully CW. So I tried it with two individual A10k's and it is fine through the whole sweep. So anything above an A10k is no good. Also you can get some interesting tones using the two separate pots if you wanted to build it as a dual filter cocked wah pedal.
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ReplyDeleteI have just built the positive ground version. There is sound coming (lower than the bypass signal), but no effect. Any ideas?
ReplyDeleteIC 1:
1: 26 mV
2: 26 mV
3: 84 mV
4: 84 mV
5: 83 mV
6: 27.5 mV
7: 27.5 mV
8: 0 mV
IC2:
1: 57 mV
2: 29.2 mV
3: 81.4 mV
4: 81.8 mV
5: 81.4 mV
6: 56.5 mV
7: 26 mV
8: 0 mV
Are you sure you're measuring your voltages correctly? Set DMM to measure DV volts, black probe to ground, red probe to each IC pin. You should see close to -9 on pins 4 at the very least
DeleteOK. I’m getting around -9 V everywhere, if I set the black probe to the red side of the battery (+).
DeleteYou must have an error on your build. Check for the usual suspects...misplaced components, bridged tracks, cuts cold joints. Then maybe post links to some hi res picks of front, back and all wiring
DeleteI have checked all values and all connections and I can’t find the error. I am using a negative voltage converter (as I did on my positive ground build based on the RG Keen Layout which worked fine) and a Millenium Bypass. I have also tried it without the converter and without the Millenium Bypass, but no success.
ReplyDeleteI have rewired the pot and resoldered some connections and now I get the around -7.5 V at pins 1, 2, 6 and 7 on both ICs and -9.45 V at pins 3, 4 and 5. Pin 8 is 0 V.
This time no sound at all, just a bit of noise, when the pot is turned.
I am using a ZPD5V1 for D2. Is that OK?
I was also wonderings about the differences to this layout here which I found somewhere on the internet some time ago. Or do the drawings refer to a negative ground schematic?
Original Parapedal
Here are some pictures of my build. They didn’t have ¼ oder ½ watt resistors in the store, only 1 watt resistors and 630 V capacitors, so the components are quite big. I have also checked all legs for shorts and couldn’t find any.
Parapedal Components 1
Parapedal Components 2
Parapedal Components 3
Parapedal Solder Side
Parapedal Millenium Bypass + Pot
Parapedal Full
Actually, I think there's an error in the -9V layout Zach. D2 should connect between Pins 3 and 4 just like the +9V layout (the diode is still the wrong way round too sorry....cathode to Pin 4 in -9V, cathode to Pin 3 in +9V).
DeleteIn the -9V version, D2 is connecting to Pins 2 and 3 when it should be 3 and 4.
Jim...remove D2 and make the connection I described above. You can omit the small link and just stand the diode. I don't think standing components are a worry with all those 1W resistors lol. You will also need to move the top leg of the 47K one hole to the right and make a new cut where that leg currently is shown.
I've also uploaded a pic highlighting what looks like some trouble areas. Have to look and check with a DMM that there are no bridges.
http://imgur.com/wvOohhk
I did as you said, but still no success … Shouldn’t D2 connect between Pin 3 and 8 in the -9V version? Pin 4 is ground in the +9V version, but in the -9V version pin 8 is ground. Or am I completely wrong?
DeleteI have connected cathode of D2 to Pin 8 (ground) now. Now the pedal "works", but there’s still something wrong. The pot doesn’t have the full range, the signal is cut. Maybe the 220R resistor (to which WahA 3 is connected) should go to Pin 4 instead of Pin 8?
Deleteweird, i must have reuploaded the old layout. just updated with the correct ones.
DeleteHey Zach, there’s still two errors in the PNP layout:
DeleteD2’s cathode needs to connect to ground and the 220R resistor (the one which is connected to Wah A 3) needs to connect to Pin 4 instead of Pin 8 of IC1 .
Then it works.
I have also built the NPN layout and it works great, thank you!
I'm seeing some sloppy soldering on the right side of the solder side picture that looks like it could have some bridges
ReplyDeleteCan any of you folks who have built this share where you purchased that dual gang A10k? Since they seem pretty pricey, I'd like to make sure I order the correct one! Thanks in advance.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the best way to do the offboard wiring (with LED)? I've used the Skreddy TB method, and I seem to be getting clean signal along with the effected signal when the effect is engaged. Thanks for sharing the layout. The effect sounds great! I've just gotta get that one thing sorted. Cheers.
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